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From two public projects, today is Tuesday, October the 10th, our first order of business. 00:00:00
Will be approval of the Minutes when? 00:00:05
Committee members have had a chance to review. I would entertain a motion to approve. Second moved and seconded any discussion. 00:00:07
All in favor, say aye, aye. Minutes are approved. Item number one under old business as authorization to enter into a construction 00:00:12
contract. 00:00:17
With John Plott Company for Snow Hinton Park improvement projects. 00:00:22
The total is $10.275 million Eric. 00:00:26
Welcome. Yes. Do you want to move that? 00:00:31
To the end and deal with all this little first or. 00:00:33
Miss your calls. 00:00:38
It's fine with me if you want to y'all want to do that however you want. 00:00:41
It probably. 00:00:46
Might ask Miss Johnson to do that. 00:00:47
Do we do we need to revise the agenda to do that or just is it OK? I mean, committee members, I'm, I'm fine with that. We'll put 00:00:51
it to the end. 00:00:54
Move to. 00:01:00
If we could move it to the item number. 00:01:00
Ohh Motion would change the order of business considered and move old business till the end of the new business items. 00:01:03
2nd. 00:01:10
Any discussion all in favor, say aye. 00:01:10
Eric, hold on to that thought. 00:01:13
Item number one now under new business would be authorization to enter into a minor public works contract with Johnny Kirksey for 00:01:16
the Benjamin Barnes Wide Library Roof Repair. The total is 58,985 and that does include a 15. 00:01:23
Percent contingency welcome, Tim. 00:01:30
Good afternoon. Yes, just as you said this is to replace the roof on the. 00:01:32
Library building beside the existing Benjamin Barnes YMCA. 00:01:38
With a 15% contingency for any unforeseen. 00:01:42
Items underneath the existing roof. 00:01:46
Questions from committee members. 00:01:48
So thank you for bringing this this back up. I think we it was on the agenda a couple of months ago. Glad that it came back 00:01:50
around. 00:01:54
I think this would be a great. 00:01:59
Think it's needed. 00:02:00
I'll have no. 00:02:03
Questions about it. 00:02:04
Mr. Chairman, I would like to offer a motion. 00:02:06
I have some questions. First, what how many? How many bids did we get on this 55 and this was the low bid. 00:02:09
Qualifications. 00:02:20
The the we did have one that was lowered that did not have a GC license. 00:02:21
OK. We'll we'll go with the license. 00:02:26
Is contingency when when they submit their bids, is contingency built into that price? How does that work? 00:02:30
30% contingency is added on to the bid by us. We know that there could be some unforeseen. 00:02:39
Rotten items underneath the existing roof and so we want to plan for that and. 00:02:44
Build that into the budget so if he and I and he submit bids, you take those prices and we. 00:02:48
Add 15%. 00:02:55
That's great. So it's. 00:02:57
Same for everybody, that's correct. 00:02:59
OK. I don't have any further questions. Motion on table, Mr. Bush. 00:03:02
2nd. 00:03:06
Moved and seconded all in favor say aye aye item number. 00:03:07
I guess I'm gonna call it. 00:03:11
Item number one is Peru. 00:03:12
Item number two is authorization to enter into minor public works contract with ACS. 00:03:14
For City Hall, air handling unit replacement total is 4567, Tim. So this work has actually already been completed. We did this as 00:03:18
an emergency declaration this this drive went down a week before last, I believe and we needed to replace it immediately to get 00:03:24
the air handler back up and operating. 00:03:30
The work has been completed. 00:03:37
And it was to serve an air handler. It was for an air handler that serves the IT area of the build. 00:03:40
Questions. 00:03:45
Where did the funding come from? This funding came from the CFG. 00:03:49
Repaired. 00:03:55
Motion. 00:04:01
2nd. 00:04:02
Motion second. All in favor. Say aye, Aye. 00:04:03
Item is approved. Item number three is authorization to enter minor public works agreement with Asphalt. 00:04:06
Resurrection. 00:04:13
All right, for City Hall Annex one garage restriping, the total is 25/08/56, Tim. 00:04:14
So this is funded by the city's facility renewal. 00:04:20
Budget and it is to. 00:04:23
Restrike and also widen the parking spaces in the lower level. Garage motion second. 00:04:25
Can I vote on that too? 00:04:31
Shannon. 00:04:34
All in favor? Say aye aye. Opposed. 00:04:36
Motion Unifying Topic. Motion gladly passes there. Everybody's happy. 00:04:41
Item number 4. 00:04:46
Approval of of Professional Services Agreement. 00:04:47
With TTL for the Ash St. sidewalk to the Colton Park Project One 54478 Clint welcome. 00:04:50
Good afternoon, Council. Good afternoon, Sir. 00:04:58
Yes Sir. Like you said, this is a, this is a We're requesting approval to have professional services with TTL. 00:05:01
To help us construct the Ash St. sidewalk to call the Park Project. It's located in District 2. 00:05:07
Um, the purpose of it is to connect the. 00:05:12
The proposed or not proposed the the. 00:05:17
Coming McDonald, he I'm Sorry. The Benjamin Barnes YMCA to Colton Park. 00:05:20
Hmm, umm so. 00:05:25
Where? 00:05:27
There, the professional engineering services include survey engine, technical services, preliminary design, final design and the 00:05:28
bid phase. 00:05:32
One big thing is that they are also going to provide us a detailed construction cost estimate. 00:05:36
We're going to use that construction cost estimate to help us apply for a TAP grant. 00:05:41
For this project. 00:05:45
That's good. 00:05:47
That's great. See, looks like it's going to the timelines about four months. 00:05:48
The funding is DFR. There's an account where each of the. 00:05:53
Districts are receiving 500,000 to be used at their discretion. 00:05:58
District 2 Councillor. 00:06:02
Councillor Howard is planning on using this. 00:06:05
For this project, that's good. 00:06:09
Is this? 00:06:12
Going to be nearby the new Benjamin Lawrence Walk, correct? Yes, Sir. 00:06:13
So. 00:06:17
Do you have a clicker? 00:06:18
So yeah, Ash, Ash is a side street to MLK, right? 00:06:21
And it also will have not only would Benjamin Barnes with some connectivity as well with the cold and the industry. So Raven 00:06:25
spending part of her 500 grand saved out of the. 00:06:31
Per council district, Yes, Sir, From the fire district, the fire station. 00:06:36
I think this is good. How? How much? 00:06:41
Is is this work being done by TTL? 00:06:43
Is this beer, or is this something they're doing out of a contract? 00:06:46
They're already owned with us. 00:06:50
This is a separate. 00:06:51
Agreement Professional Service Agreement. We reached out to TTL to help us with this project. 00:06:54
Do we reach out to anybody else? 00:06:59
No Sir, with with it being an engineering professional services. 00:07:01
That's something that we can't bid out. 00:07:04
In the state of Alabama. 00:07:07
We can't get it out based on price. 00:07:09
That's correct, yes Sir, But we can see if anybody's interested in performing the work. 00:07:11
Umm. 00:07:17
Might do you have anything to say about that? 00:07:18
I don't want to speak out, turn or anything. 00:07:20
TTL is also the design engineer for the Benjamin Barnes YMCA Project. We just felt like this was. 00:07:25
The most likely candidate? 00:07:32
For to provide these professional services as well. OK and the 155 is. 00:07:34
That's the design. The sidewalk. 00:07:40
Well, that's the all the components that Clint mentioned, It's the preliminary design. 00:07:42
It's the survey work to. 00:07:48
You know, prepare the design off of. 00:07:50
Gets us all the way to the bid phase. 00:07:53
So we'll end up with a cost estimate. 00:07:56
For what we expect this project to be in. 00:07:58
Then we'll we'll see if there's a tap grant available to to pay for that construction. 00:08:01
And then based on the sidewalk work that we typically do around here. 00:08:07
What? How long is the sidewalk? Is it a mile or? 00:08:12
500 yards on page put me in a ballpark. I got 3800. 00:08:16
Yeah. 00:08:22
All righty, 3800 feet. Yeah, Ash St. these these areas down here. 00:08:23
There is not curbing gutter on some of these streets, so sidewalk component generally includes some curb and gutter and drainage 00:08:29
as well and this would be an enhancement to the. 00:08:33
To the community and what what do we think of for the science? How do we typically? 00:08:39
Invision sidewalk. 00:08:45
Material and labor price. 00:08:47
He's 1000 footer under foot. 00:08:50
You come out a dollar per foot, surely we have. 00:08:53
Enough. 00:08:58
Experience. 00:08:59
Building sidewalks, We have some idea. 00:09:00
What sidewalks cost? 00:09:03
That's right. And what is that I got, I got a range. 00:09:04
Based off of the Brian few months ago. 00:09:08
I'd say it's between about 3:50 to 6:50. 00:09:12
Something in that. 00:09:15
Perfect. 00:09:17
Per foot. 00:09:18
Dollar. 00:09:19
Bear in mind that that doesn't that includes more than just sidewalk. 00:09:21
That's also going to be a curbing gutter along a road that doesn't already have curbing. 00:09:25
And that is going to require storm drainage which is to carry. 00:09:30
The surface runoff from the street underground in a pipe network. So it's. 00:09:34
When you walk astray that it's, I guess with the pull of the map, you walk Ash St. you've got some pretty. 00:09:38
I don't know what the word, Steve. 00:09:46
Decline of drainage around the area. So as Mike talked about is it will be if the council moves forward with the project. 00:09:48
It'll likely be close to six or seven figure project. 00:09:56
That's what I'm trying to get at. So now that is one of the things that we've asked the engineering firm to do is to break the 00:09:59
project up into potential phases as well. So not only looking at the TAP grant, but breaking up into phases. 00:10:06
And so the first step I know, and I don't want to speak for Miss Howard was. 00:10:13
Let's get the engineering done and then we can begin looking at grant processes. 00:10:18
Staging if you know if we have to accept them. So that's the. 00:10:23
The natural progression of it all and. 00:10:28
OK. So the engineering cost will come out of the district as the? 00:10:30
The district savings, right? Correct. And then they'll provide us what we need. 00:10:34
To apply for the tap grant. 00:10:39
That's correct, right. 00:10:42
And then from there we'll identify the. 00:10:43
Rough order of magnitude or go after or do the project. 00:10:46
To go after a tap, grant or. 00:10:52
With city bonds. I don't wanna speak from this, Howard. 00:10:54
But I I think. 00:10:57
Looking at all options, no. I understand the tap rents not a given, but I mean there will be a pause. 00:10:58
Where Where we. 00:11:05
We know what we're dealing with, big picture. 00:11:06
And whether that has exceeded. 00:11:09
The district savings funds available. 00:11:11
And going in, the city finds and if so, where it's coming from? 00:11:14
Yes, Sir. 00:11:17
So moved. 00:11:18
I'll second. 00:11:19
Moved and seconded all in favor. Say aye, aye. 00:11:20
Item is approved. Item number 5 is approval of a professional services agreement with TTL for the Kicker Rd. Sidewalk project. 00:11:24
The total is 110,850. 00:11:32
You're staying. 00:11:35
Please stand for this one. 00:11:36
Situation. They're just different place. That's right. Same situation, different place. This is for Kicker Rd. 00:11:39
There's none of this. 00:11:45
This will fund Christmas. Yes, Christmas Tree time. What was that called? 00:11:47
OK. 00:11:52
I've got several. 00:11:54
Exactly. 00:11:55
You do, yeah. 00:11:56
100 side to do that. 00:11:58
It's been really great. 00:12:00
Kicker really is. 00:12:02
Has no sidewalks. 00:12:04
Years ago it was between 25th Ave. East. 00:12:06
They'll take Mill Road and kick a Rd. 00:12:09
And we went with 20 5th Ave. East. 00:12:12
This was completed just about a month before the tornado hit. 00:12:14
Ohh so this would be. 00:12:18
It's so expensive, but this would just be one side. 00:12:21
Looking at sidewalks for just one side. 00:12:24
That's the JC Parkside. 00:12:26
Because it's. 00:12:29
That can walk to the park and. 00:12:30
And then eventually you can walk to the school and a lot of people walk up down there this year. 00:12:32
And so this is basically from JC Park to. 00:12:38
Honey Grove Baptist Church. 00:12:42
About that bridge. 00:12:45
So this is engineering only. 00:12:46
And. 00:12:49
What I've asked is to continue just to keep that other 390. 00:12:50
Because this is obviously going to be very expensive. 00:12:55
All because of the rights away the trees. 00:12:58
But. 00:13:01
So I'm looking at putting that. 00:13:04
Just do it in probably. 00:13:06
This would be the first phase. 00:13:08
If we go any further with it. 00:13:10
Would have to be done in phases, but keep the 390. 00:13:12
Or the Sidewalk Project and then hopefully the next 500,000 next year. 00:13:15
For this same project. 00:13:20
So. 00:13:22
We looked at one on 30th. 00:13:23
Doing. 00:13:25
Saab open 30th and as I told the engineers, I said I just wanted to stay in one area so we can maximize them. 00:13:26
So. 00:13:33
I don't know that. 00:13:34
Would be about another 900,000 or the project might need a little more, I mean up down the road, but I'm not sure. 00:13:36
As well. 00:13:43
Find out. 00:13:44
And then what about your East End of the University Blvd. Can you? 00:13:47
You can $10 million of. 00:13:52
Statement. 00:13:56
Well, it's MPO, it's federal, and you wouldn't want to apply to this property. Stretch that down. 00:13:58
I wish. 00:14:04
Yo, you you wouldn't want to because between the property acquisition, the environmental reviews, the property acquisition cost. 00:14:05
This we're probably talking about very tight right aways here. 00:14:13
In this project so. 00:14:16
It might be 2028 before. 00:14:19
We got started on a project like this. Yeah, that's why we're just doing it. I forget what the length of that is. Mike and I went 00:14:22
out there along. 00:14:26
Brian. 00:14:30
I'm getting back. It was about. 00:14:32
1500 linear feet. I'm getting about 1500 linear feet, which is. 00:14:35
Like. 00:14:42
What do you mean? So is that? 00:14:43
How how long is that? Just like is that how many blocks would that be you think? 00:14:45
Or. 00:14:50
It's like, yeah, OK, that's what I'm doing. OK, I gotcha. 00:14:51
And and that that's the strategic spot because it comes with the. 00:14:54
In the beginning the end of JC Parr. 00:14:59
To. 00:15:02
The entrance to. 00:15:03
Neighborhood, it goes back to church. 00:15:05
Sure. 00:15:09
Now. 00:15:11
And there's the other side of kicker Rd. would have been probably less expensive. 00:15:12
Because they don't have the big trees and all, but. 00:15:17
It didn't make sense that on that side of the. 00:15:20
To cross Cakery, right? Yeah. Because for one thing, there would have been a whole. 00:15:22
There were a lot more haunted houses. 00:15:27
On that other side of the road. 00:15:29
And they are on this side. 00:15:31
And plus, it just makes it more natural to be. 00:15:32
On the same side as the part of the part. 00:15:35
Yes, Sir. 00:15:37
Yes, Sir. Yeah, that's pretty much covered everything. That's right. 00:15:38
Any other questions? 00:15:41
Front air to grandmothers. 00:15:43
That's. 00:15:48
That's another story. 00:15:49
So moved. 00:15:51
Second, there's a surprise. All in favor, say aye aye, item number 5 is approved. 00:15:54
I number six is Approval of Professional Services Agreement with Gresham Smith. 00:15:59
For the University Blvd. at Brook Hills Intersection project, the total is 249,654. 00:16:03
Clint, you're still here. I'm still here. Yes, Sir. 00:16:09
Yes, Sir, we're. 00:16:12
Request an approval. 00:16:14
For professional services from Gresham Smith. 00:16:15
So this isn't District 5 as well, it's located. 00:16:18
At the intersection of University Blvd. Brook Hills Drive and 39th Ave. East. 00:16:23
Umm. 00:16:28
You know, we've there's been a lot of concerns and complaints about sight distance issues, signal issues, confusion of flow of 00:16:29
traffic. 00:16:32
Of heavy traffic. 00:16:37
During peak hours and and some crashes so. 00:16:39
We had Gresham Smith last year to conduct a traffic study in this area. They gave us some. 00:16:42
Alternatives, designs. And so we chose one and so. 00:16:47
We're asking them to help us with with this project. The professional services again include the. 00:16:51
Surveying geotech, preliminary and final design. 00:16:56
And and so they'll also provide us with the cost estimate which we. 00:17:01
Could potentially or use that to help apply for. 00:17:06
Safety grants, funds. If we want to go in that direction, where's money coming from? 00:17:10
GFI. 00:17:14
Umm. 00:17:16
Account number 20309030 Dash majorly all changes the base bid scope. 00:17:18
So that is something that you could. 00:17:26
Play around with a little bit with the change orders. 00:17:28
And I don't know if this question is for you or for Tom, but. 00:17:35
Did we go back to the contract? 00:17:38
And they asked for an additional. 00:17:41
Extension. 00:17:43
Um, that is something that the. 00:17:46
Project manager usually does not in my office. I just direct them on the legality of things. 00:17:48
So. 00:17:55
It was brought up with the contractor. They're not really in favor of trying to extend it out anymore. Is not really in favor, no. 00:17:56
They didn't give me a hard no, but they were looking to, I mean. 00:18:04
They they need to figure out where. 00:18:08
They're going to have their amendment. 00:18:10
The idea when this started. 00:18:13
As soon as. 00:18:16
As soon as possible. 00:18:17
By the end of this month. 00:18:20
1st. 00:18:21
I think that's reasonable. 00:18:23
Where? 00:18:28
Where is the committee? 00:18:31
Ohh. 00:18:32
What? I'm what I'm I'm kind of following John's late. I'm wanting to hear from Kip too, but where? 00:18:36
Where are we on? I mean, if we have to accept? 00:18:41
Understand legally what would mean, We'll have to. 00:18:44
Throughout that motion, the right way. 00:18:47
But I but I would like for us if we're going to work on passing. 00:18:49
This, potentially we're voting on. 00:18:52
To have a good understanding of what we do and we don't want before we do that. 00:18:55
That as a group I want is is more time to do this in a more orderly. 00:19:00
So that. 00:19:06
At. 00:19:08
3 minutes past the time the committee is supposed to end. 00:19:09
We're not. 00:19:13
Trying to put together this Rubik's Cube. 00:19:15
By. 00:19:19
Committee. 00:19:20
Of this. 00:19:21
These alternates. 00:19:23
And and Mr. Wilson. 00:19:26
I I don't. I'm just airing my. 00:19:28
I'm likely if if we have to do this like this, I'm definitely a no today. 00:19:31
If we can, if we can get this. 00:19:36
Arranged in a more orderly fashion. 00:19:39
And. 00:19:42
More more coherent. 00:19:43
I'm I'm not necessarily in that one. 00:19:46
Again, I. 00:19:51
The count. 00:19:53
Know about it. 00:19:54
About 17 or 18 days ago. 00:19:56
We notified. 00:19:58
Where we were and our plan to map out. 00:19:59
At no time did we ever receive, or did I receive any correspondence from the City Council. 00:20:04
That wasn't the appropriate schedule that you want. 00:20:09
And we want. 00:20:14
Volume. 00:20:14
Every bit of information. 00:20:16
Are. 00:20:18
We want you at the end of the day. 00:20:18
But we've notified you. 00:20:23
And her no objection to the schedule that. 00:20:25
Those. 00:20:27
So. 00:20:28
I don't want, I don't want any council members to leave here thinking that our team has done anything that we haven't. 00:20:29
Done with. 00:20:36
Other projects. So we've we've put forth the schedule. 00:20:37
Did not hear any objections. 00:20:42
We felt. 00:20:45
Even to this meeting, we have provided all the information in the past week that's been asked of us. 00:20:46
So we have. 00:20:53
We want to provide you everything that you need to have comfort. 00:20:54
And what is being shared? If, if I may, I'll spend some time while I'm trying to get a bug. 00:20:58
Yeah, I mean, I'm trying to work through the process right now to get a vote. I spent time yesterday afternoon with Eric and 00:21:03
Dakota. 00:21:06
And we went over a number of things you could take out. 00:21:09
But I want this to be a great part for our city. It keeps nodding his head. 00:21:14
And we've already come to with the pavers and that. 00:21:18
I know in the scope well. 00:21:22
We're, we're close to 10%. 00:21:25
But taking some of this stuff out that we talked about. 00:21:27
And then there will be some hopefully value engineering done and which is not in these numbers, not in these numbers at all, no, 00:21:30
it's nothing important. 00:21:34
And and I looked at it and. 00:21:39
At one point I was saying let's take this out, that out. 00:21:41
And the more I thought about it. 00:21:45
I want this to be a part for these folks. 00:21:47
To enjoy these students over here, to enjoy their children, enjoy. 00:21:50
Something that we can all be proud of. 00:21:54
In another generation. 00:21:57
We talk about doing something. 00:21:59
To keep people in Tuscaloosa. 00:22:01
I don't know that this will keep people in Tuscaloosa, but it'll be a great place. 00:22:03
For you guys to take your grandchildren if you stay in this time. 00:22:08
So. 00:22:12
That's just the way after. I'm not on this committee. Do you have? 00:22:14
This has been going on. 00:22:19
10 years, yeah, you know, and. 00:22:20
I'm all. 00:22:23
I vote for it all. 00:22:25
Right. 00:22:26
Looking forward. 00:22:27
I'm not on this committee. 00:22:29
So on on the timeline thing and if I've got it wrong I want to get it cleared up. But. 00:22:33
Today's the 10th. 00:22:40
It first showed up on committee. 00:22:42
On the 3rd. 00:22:45
By that time, according to what you told us, it was already in a two week extension. 00:22:47
It was very close. 00:22:53
So it was right before the two week extension. Whatever. 00:22:55
Mapra and I appreciate the fact that we got an e-mail. 00:22:58
But I still consider this forum the main forum for presentation and discussion and debate. 00:23:03
And I would have preferred. 00:23:10
Since we knew this on August 24th. 00:23:13
I would have preferred. 00:23:16
That we that we have a preliminary. 00:23:18
To get these things out and just see how everybody. 00:23:22
Is absorbing them. 00:23:25
That that was my objection with the timeline. 00:23:29
You know. 00:23:34
Mr. Chair, yes. 00:23:35
When I think of our parks, and I see how our city has begun to. 00:23:37
Umm. 00:23:42
Upgrade, update our parks. 00:23:44
We've done so with the mindset. 00:23:48
That we help all of our citizens as you. 00:23:51
Alluded to talking about our children. 00:23:53
And that our children's children. 00:23:56
All of us have different things within our district and different parts within our district that we want to see upgraded and 00:23:59
updated. 00:24:03
And. 00:24:07
I believe that every part of that's in our city. 00:24:08
Belongs to each and every last one of us. 00:24:11
In some fat form of fashion. 00:24:14
I wasn't on the council 10 years ago. 00:24:18
But I do believe that this is a rich. 00:24:20
Investment. 00:24:23
That we need to do. 00:24:25
For our future. 00:24:27
It it is a part that that is a. 00:24:30
Gateway to the city. I mean this is this is a park that. 00:24:33
I think people across the city used our Central Park. 00:24:37
Yeah, I mean, it's literally. 00:24:40
Alright, well, sounds like you got it. 00:24:44
What? Let me ask a question. 00:24:46
How? 00:24:49
This is. 00:24:51
The legal. 00:24:52
Question. 00:24:53
How are the? 00:24:55
Because it has been recommended to us. 00:24:57
That we accept this bid with all alternatives. 00:24:59
I. 00:25:05
Understand by listening to everybody at this table. There's two or three things that. 00:25:07
We probably want to take out of that. 00:25:12
So. 00:25:14
How does that get? 00:25:15
How? How do we do that? Do we do that in the, in the, the, the, the funding end of it? Do we, I mean, if if this passes the 00:25:17
committee today? 00:25:21
And let's just say what I said is what? 00:25:25
People want. 00:25:28
What? What happened? 00:25:30
We're going to pass it with all the alternatives, then the. 00:25:31
The. 00:25:34
Other parties. 00:25:35
How are we gonna determine that? Are you gonna can I interject a a comment there? Yeah because if it if it passes here if the the 00:25:36
full enchilada passes. 00:25:41
And it comes to finance. Finance is, you're not going to quibble with that. We're just going to decide. 00:25:47
Where to get the money? 00:25:52
So. 00:25:54
I don't envision finance. 00:25:56
It's taken a whittling knife. 00:25:58
To it after from a project standpoint. 00:26:00
It's passed and go well. 00:26:03
I see the finance role simply as, alright, we're taking the money from here, here, here. 00:26:06
There. 00:26:12
If I could add to, I think it's a very. 00:26:13
Good question and it's Miller. 00:26:16
To what Mr. Crow has said and Mr. Busby. 00:26:18
Understanding that there are some amenities that we would like to. 00:26:23
Put to the side for cost savings. 00:26:27
I want to make certain that we would not put the city in legal jeopardy with if if this were a route, Mr. Crow, that I think 00:26:30
you're going. 00:26:34
And you correct me if I'm wrong, is that we accept the base field. 00:26:37
And then work have. 00:26:41
CFG work with the contractor. 00:26:43
On the amenities that the city desires and work closely with Mr. Fell and Mr. Dryer. 00:26:46
Own that and then come back to the Council. 00:26:52
For those particular amenities that would be added to the base bid would Is that a a legally accepted process? The city could do 00:26:55
one better. 00:27:00
OK, so I just want to make sure I understand the question. So. 00:27:05
We would accept the base bid but not any of the alternates and then we would just add to the project. 00:27:08
Correct later. 00:27:16
Correct. 00:27:17
Now that's again, I know that's. 00:27:18
You know the the pricing may change out of the alternates and that's. 00:27:21
But I I. 00:27:25
I've got a feeling that if we. 00:27:26
You know. 00:27:28
You wish? 00:27:29
That may be acceptable to all parties and we then move in that direction. 00:27:30
Who's gonna decide? 00:27:37
I I would, I think in the probably staff recommendations. 00:27:39
Age change order would require coming back to the City Council, this committee, right? And well, is that kind of, is that going to 00:27:45
change the way we finance it? 00:27:50
What I would recommend is that we look at financing. 00:27:54
What we think the totality of the project is initially, but no, it's going to come back in less. 00:27:59
So I think the financing recommendations that we currently. 00:28:05
Half. 00:28:09
Or. 00:28:11
Covered the totality, right? Correct. 00:28:12
And if you recall from last week, we anticipated value engineering a lot some of this down. 00:28:15
We can't. We've been very hesitant to provide you that budget number because you can't guarantee, because we can't guarantee it. 00:28:23
So. 00:28:30
With what Miss Miller shared, this might be an appropriate pathway because what I would recommend is that the staff certainly 00:28:31
would be working with the contractor but. 00:28:35
We wouldn't bring anything forward until Mr. Fell. 00:28:40
And Mr. Tyner, who's been working on this for a long time, they're very comfortable with those recommendations. 00:28:43
I don't know if that's is that. 00:28:50
I know we're putting you on the spot. Would that be an acceptable path to the City Attorney's office? 00:28:52
It's possible to do it that way? 00:28:59
Umm. 00:29:01
My. 00:29:03
Recommendation would be if we thought we were going to be doing. 00:29:04
Most of the alternates is to go ahead and award it with the alternates and then work with the engineer, see where we can value 00:29:08
engineer, see where there are maybe life cycle costs to some of the fixtures and things like that, ways to reduce the the cost 00:29:13
overall. 00:29:18
And then? 00:29:24
Perhaps. 00:29:26
Work out some of the. 00:29:27
Components of the alternates. 00:29:30
Umm. 00:29:33
Might be a cleaner. 00:29:34
Way to do it, but I understand where. 00:29:36
What year? 00:29:40
Idea is, it's possible, it's just. 00:29:41
Not as it claimed. It appeared to me in this discussion that we wanted to accept two of the alternate. 00:29:45
Of the six, OK. 00:29:53
So. 00:29:56
If I can't. 00:29:58
Do that? I mean, what's the best way? 00:30:00
Right. Going back to what the mayor just said, there's What is the best way to do that? Yes Sir. The risk to not accepting the 00:30:02
alternates is that when you go back and try to add in things that the cost is going to be different. 00:30:09
Isn't that cool? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know that after after the war happened and you broke out in Ukraine, that's when all of our 00:30:18
costs and the supply chain went crazy. 00:30:24
And considering what's going on right now, I think we'd be running a a risk. 00:30:31
That that kind of thing may happen in the market if we accept. 00:30:36
As presented, all of the alternatives. 00:30:41
Alright then. 00:30:44
If we decide not to take for them. 00:30:46
Please don't take it. 00:30:49
And that reduces the contract, correct? 00:30:50
So or how does that when we award it with all the alternates we that the contract is going to be for that highest number amount? 00:30:53
And then the change orders of things that we don't do would. 00:31:01
Speed deductive change order. Delete forum. Yes Sir, Yes Sir. And then that. 00:31:05
It. 00:31:12
It's easy. I mean, to me that's the way we ought to do it. It sounds like the simplest way and and then as a group we decide is is 00:31:13
that. 00:31:16
Are are we all comfortable with taking? 00:31:22
The four out of it we don't want. 00:31:26
So those would just be deducted. 00:31:32
Yes, Sir. Yes. I mean that that sounds like a simple way. That's the way to do it. 00:31:34
Do you feel more comfortable based on that? I think that is so much. 00:31:40
Much simpler, more orderly way. 00:31:45
To handle and the value engineering is not in it, but we know that there should be some savings in that too. 00:31:48
Right. 00:31:53
I mean, I feel comfortable voting that way. Matthew and. 00:31:54
Chairman enough, Mr. Busby, we think. 00:31:57
Well, I mean, this is a Gov out of committee. 00:32:01
I don't know if it's to go with my vote, but it's a go so. 00:32:07
They can be second. 00:32:12
Any other discussion we are. 00:32:15
We are accepting. 00:32:17
The bid with all the alternatives, with the again the understanding. 00:32:19
This might not be in the motion. 00:32:23
I I want to have another discussion about. 00:32:25
The agreement of what we're doing. 00:32:28
Because again, that's, I think that's kind of where everybody is. 00:32:30
Mr. Tyner. Yes, Sir. You got that? I got it. 00:32:34
All right. All in favor. Say aye. Aye. Opposed. 00:32:36
Motion passes. 00:32:42
Our next Public Projects Committee meeting will be next Tuesday, October the 17th. I would also like to extend a welcome to our UA 00:32:46
journalism class students. Again, we appreciate. 00:32:51
Y'all being here, watching your government at work, hopefully. 00:32:58
Sometimes efficient. 00:33:01
Halloween. 00:33:05
We didn't slap anybody, did we? Do I have a motion to adjourn? 00:33:08
You could tell him second favor say aye, so financing. 00:33:14

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From two public projects, today is Tuesday, October the 10th, our first order of business. 00:00:00
Will be approval of the Minutes when? 00:00:05
Committee members have had a chance to review. I would entertain a motion to approve. Second moved and seconded any discussion. 00:00:07
All in favor, say aye, aye. Minutes are approved. Item number one under old business as authorization to enter into a construction 00:00:12
contract. 00:00:17
With John Plott Company for Snow Hinton Park improvement projects. 00:00:22
The total is $10.275 million Eric. 00:00:26
Welcome. Yes. Do you want to move that? 00:00:31
To the end and deal with all this little first or. 00:00:33
Miss your calls. 00:00:38
It's fine with me if you want to y'all want to do that however you want. 00:00:41
It probably. 00:00:46
Might ask Miss Johnson to do that. 00:00:47
Do we do we need to revise the agenda to do that or just is it OK? I mean, committee members, I'm, I'm fine with that. We'll put 00:00:51
it to the end. 00:00:54
Move to. 00:01:00
If we could move it to the item number. 00:01:00
Ohh Motion would change the order of business considered and move old business till the end of the new business items. 00:01:03
2nd. 00:01:10
Any discussion all in favor, say aye. 00:01:10
Eric, hold on to that thought. 00:01:13
Item number one now under new business would be authorization to enter into a minor public works contract with Johnny Kirksey for 00:01:16
the Benjamin Barnes Wide Library Roof Repair. The total is 58,985 and that does include a 15. 00:01:23
Percent contingency welcome, Tim. 00:01:30
Good afternoon. Yes, just as you said this is to replace the roof on the. 00:01:32
Library building beside the existing Benjamin Barnes YMCA. 00:01:38
With a 15% contingency for any unforeseen. 00:01:42
Items underneath the existing roof. 00:01:46
Questions from committee members. 00:01:48
So thank you for bringing this this back up. I think we it was on the agenda a couple of months ago. Glad that it came back 00:01:50
around. 00:01:54
I think this would be a great. 00:01:59
Think it's needed. 00:02:00
I'll have no. 00:02:03
Questions about it. 00:02:04
Mr. Chairman, I would like to offer a motion. 00:02:06
I have some questions. First, what how many? How many bids did we get on this 55 and this was the low bid. 00:02:09
Qualifications. 00:02:20
The the we did have one that was lowered that did not have a GC license. 00:02:21
OK. We'll we'll go with the license. 00:02:26
Is contingency when when they submit their bids, is contingency built into that price? How does that work? 00:02:30
30% contingency is added on to the bid by us. We know that there could be some unforeseen. 00:02:39
Rotten items underneath the existing roof and so we want to plan for that and. 00:02:44
Build that into the budget so if he and I and he submit bids, you take those prices and we. 00:02:48
Add 15%. 00:02:55
That's great. So it's. 00:02:57
Same for everybody, that's correct. 00:02:59
OK. I don't have any further questions. Motion on table, Mr. Bush. 00:03:02
2nd. 00:03:06
Moved and seconded all in favor say aye aye item number. 00:03:07
I guess I'm gonna call it. 00:03:11
Item number one is Peru. 00:03:12
Item number two is authorization to enter into minor public works contract with ACS. 00:03:14
For City Hall, air handling unit replacement total is 4567, Tim. So this work has actually already been completed. We did this as 00:03:18
an emergency declaration this this drive went down a week before last, I believe and we needed to replace it immediately to get 00:03:24
the air handler back up and operating. 00:03:30
The work has been completed. 00:03:37
And it was to serve an air handler. It was for an air handler that serves the IT area of the build. 00:03:40
Questions. 00:03:45
Where did the funding come from? This funding came from the CFG. 00:03:49
Repaired. 00:03:55
Motion. 00:04:01
2nd. 00:04:02
Motion second. All in favor. Say aye, Aye. 00:04:03
Item is approved. Item number three is authorization to enter minor public works agreement with Asphalt. 00:04:06
Resurrection. 00:04:13
All right, for City Hall Annex one garage restriping, the total is 25/08/56, Tim. 00:04:14
So this is funded by the city's facility renewal. 00:04:20
Budget and it is to. 00:04:23
Restrike and also widen the parking spaces in the lower level. Garage motion second. 00:04:25
Can I vote on that too? 00:04:31
Shannon. 00:04:34
All in favor? Say aye aye. Opposed. 00:04:36
Motion Unifying Topic. Motion gladly passes there. Everybody's happy. 00:04:41
Item number 4. 00:04:46
Approval of of Professional Services Agreement. 00:04:47
With TTL for the Ash St. sidewalk to the Colton Park Project One 54478 Clint welcome. 00:04:50
Good afternoon, Council. Good afternoon, Sir. 00:04:58
Yes Sir. Like you said, this is a, this is a We're requesting approval to have professional services with TTL. 00:05:01
To help us construct the Ash St. sidewalk to call the Park Project. It's located in District 2. 00:05:07
Um, the purpose of it is to connect the. 00:05:12
The proposed or not proposed the the. 00:05:17
Coming McDonald, he I'm Sorry. The Benjamin Barnes YMCA to Colton Park. 00:05:20
Hmm, umm so. 00:05:25
Where? 00:05:27
There, the professional engineering services include survey engine, technical services, preliminary design, final design and the 00:05:28
bid phase. 00:05:32
One big thing is that they are also going to provide us a detailed construction cost estimate. 00:05:36
We're going to use that construction cost estimate to help us apply for a TAP grant. 00:05:41
For this project. 00:05:45
That's good. 00:05:47
That's great. See, looks like it's going to the timelines about four months. 00:05:48
The funding is DFR. There's an account where each of the. 00:05:53
Districts are receiving 500,000 to be used at their discretion. 00:05:58
District 2 Councillor. 00:06:02
Councillor Howard is planning on using this. 00:06:05
For this project, that's good. 00:06:09
Is this? 00:06:12
Going to be nearby the new Benjamin Lawrence Walk, correct? Yes, Sir. 00:06:13
So. 00:06:17
Do you have a clicker? 00:06:18
So yeah, Ash, Ash is a side street to MLK, right? 00:06:21
And it also will have not only would Benjamin Barnes with some connectivity as well with the cold and the industry. So Raven 00:06:25
spending part of her 500 grand saved out of the. 00:06:31
Per council district, Yes, Sir, From the fire district, the fire station. 00:06:36
I think this is good. How? How much? 00:06:41
Is is this work being done by TTL? 00:06:43
Is this beer, or is this something they're doing out of a contract? 00:06:46
They're already owned with us. 00:06:50
This is a separate. 00:06:51
Agreement Professional Service Agreement. We reached out to TTL to help us with this project. 00:06:54
Do we reach out to anybody else? 00:06:59
No Sir, with with it being an engineering professional services. 00:07:01
That's something that we can't bid out. 00:07:04
In the state of Alabama. 00:07:07
We can't get it out based on price. 00:07:09
That's correct, yes Sir, But we can see if anybody's interested in performing the work. 00:07:11
Umm. 00:07:17
Might do you have anything to say about that? 00:07:18
I don't want to speak out, turn or anything. 00:07:20
TTL is also the design engineer for the Benjamin Barnes YMCA Project. We just felt like this was. 00:07:25
The most likely candidate? 00:07:32
For to provide these professional services as well. OK and the 155 is. 00:07:34
That's the design. The sidewalk. 00:07:40
Well, that's the all the components that Clint mentioned, It's the preliminary design. 00:07:42
It's the survey work to. 00:07:48
You know, prepare the design off of. 00:07:50
Gets us all the way to the bid phase. 00:07:53
So we'll end up with a cost estimate. 00:07:56
For what we expect this project to be in. 00:07:58
Then we'll we'll see if there's a tap grant available to to pay for that construction. 00:08:01
And then based on the sidewalk work that we typically do around here. 00:08:07
What? How long is the sidewalk? Is it a mile or? 00:08:12
500 yards on page put me in a ballpark. I got 3800. 00:08:16
Yeah. 00:08:22
All righty, 3800 feet. Yeah, Ash St. these these areas down here. 00:08:23
There is not curbing gutter on some of these streets, so sidewalk component generally includes some curb and gutter and drainage 00:08:29
as well and this would be an enhancement to the. 00:08:33
To the community and what what do we think of for the science? How do we typically? 00:08:39
Invision sidewalk. 00:08:45
Material and labor price. 00:08:47
He's 1000 footer under foot. 00:08:50
You come out a dollar per foot, surely we have. 00:08:53
Enough. 00:08:58
Experience. 00:08:59
Building sidewalks, We have some idea. 00:09:00
What sidewalks cost? 00:09:03
That's right. And what is that I got, I got a range. 00:09:04
Based off of the Brian few months ago. 00:09:08
I'd say it's between about 3:50 to 6:50. 00:09:12
Something in that. 00:09:15
Perfect. 00:09:17
Per foot. 00:09:18
Dollar. 00:09:19
Bear in mind that that doesn't that includes more than just sidewalk. 00:09:21
That's also going to be a curbing gutter along a road that doesn't already have curbing. 00:09:25
And that is going to require storm drainage which is to carry. 00:09:30
The surface runoff from the street underground in a pipe network. So it's. 00:09:34
When you walk astray that it's, I guess with the pull of the map, you walk Ash St. you've got some pretty. 00:09:38
I don't know what the word, Steve. 00:09:46
Decline of drainage around the area. So as Mike talked about is it will be if the council moves forward with the project. 00:09:48
It'll likely be close to six or seven figure project. 00:09:56
That's what I'm trying to get at. So now that is one of the things that we've asked the engineering firm to do is to break the 00:09:59
project up into potential phases as well. So not only looking at the TAP grant, but breaking up into phases. 00:10:06
And so the first step I know, and I don't want to speak for Miss Howard was. 00:10:13
Let's get the engineering done and then we can begin looking at grant processes. 00:10:18
Staging if you know if we have to accept them. So that's the. 00:10:23
The natural progression of it all and. 00:10:28
OK. So the engineering cost will come out of the district as the? 00:10:30
The district savings, right? Correct. And then they'll provide us what we need. 00:10:34
To apply for the tap grant. 00:10:39
That's correct, right. 00:10:42
And then from there we'll identify the. 00:10:43
Rough order of magnitude or go after or do the project. 00:10:46
To go after a tap, grant or. 00:10:52
With city bonds. I don't wanna speak from this, Howard. 00:10:54
But I I think. 00:10:57
Looking at all options, no. I understand the tap rents not a given, but I mean there will be a pause. 00:10:58
Where Where we. 00:11:05
We know what we're dealing with, big picture. 00:11:06
And whether that has exceeded. 00:11:09
The district savings funds available. 00:11:11
And going in, the city finds and if so, where it's coming from? 00:11:14
Yes, Sir. 00:11:17
So moved. 00:11:18
I'll second. 00:11:19
Moved and seconded all in favor. Say aye, aye. 00:11:20
Item is approved. Item number 5 is approval of a professional services agreement with TTL for the Kicker Rd. Sidewalk project. 00:11:24
The total is 110,850. 00:11:32
You're staying. 00:11:35
Please stand for this one. 00:11:36
Situation. They're just different place. That's right. Same situation, different place. This is for Kicker Rd. 00:11:39
There's none of this. 00:11:45
This will fund Christmas. Yes, Christmas Tree time. What was that called? 00:11:47
OK. 00:11:52
I've got several. 00:11:54
Exactly. 00:11:55
You do, yeah. 00:11:56
100 side to do that. 00:11:58
It's been really great. 00:12:00
Kicker really is. 00:12:02
Has no sidewalks. 00:12:04
Years ago it was between 25th Ave. East. 00:12:06
They'll take Mill Road and kick a Rd. 00:12:09
And we went with 20 5th Ave. East. 00:12:12
This was completed just about a month before the tornado hit. 00:12:14
Ohh so this would be. 00:12:18
It's so expensive, but this would just be one side. 00:12:21
Looking at sidewalks for just one side. 00:12:24
That's the JC Parkside. 00:12:26
Because it's. 00:12:29
That can walk to the park and. 00:12:30
And then eventually you can walk to the school and a lot of people walk up down there this year. 00:12:32
And so this is basically from JC Park to. 00:12:38
Honey Grove Baptist Church. 00:12:42
About that bridge. 00:12:45
So this is engineering only. 00:12:46
And. 00:12:49
What I've asked is to continue just to keep that other 390. 00:12:50
Because this is obviously going to be very expensive. 00:12:55
All because of the rights away the trees. 00:12:58
But. 00:13:01
So I'm looking at putting that. 00:13:04
Just do it in probably. 00:13:06
This would be the first phase. 00:13:08
If we go any further with it. 00:13:10
Would have to be done in phases, but keep the 390. 00:13:12
Or the Sidewalk Project and then hopefully the next 500,000 next year. 00:13:15
For this same project. 00:13:20
So. 00:13:22
We looked at one on 30th. 00:13:23
Doing. 00:13:25
Saab open 30th and as I told the engineers, I said I just wanted to stay in one area so we can maximize them. 00:13:26
So. 00:13:33
I don't know that. 00:13:34
Would be about another 900,000 or the project might need a little more, I mean up down the road, but I'm not sure. 00:13:36
As well. 00:13:43
Find out. 00:13:44
And then what about your East End of the University Blvd. Can you? 00:13:47
You can $10 million of. 00:13:52
Statement. 00:13:56
Well, it's MPO, it's federal, and you wouldn't want to apply to this property. Stretch that down. 00:13:58
I wish. 00:14:04
Yo, you you wouldn't want to because between the property acquisition, the environmental reviews, the property acquisition cost. 00:14:05
This we're probably talking about very tight right aways here. 00:14:13
In this project so. 00:14:16
It might be 2028 before. 00:14:19
We got started on a project like this. Yeah, that's why we're just doing it. I forget what the length of that is. Mike and I went 00:14:22
out there along. 00:14:26
Brian. 00:14:30
I'm getting back. It was about. 00:14:32
1500 linear feet. I'm getting about 1500 linear feet, which is. 00:14:35
Like. 00:14:42
What do you mean? So is that? 00:14:43
How how long is that? Just like is that how many blocks would that be you think? 00:14:45
Or. 00:14:50
It's like, yeah, OK, that's what I'm doing. OK, I gotcha. 00:14:51
And and that that's the strategic spot because it comes with the. 00:14:54
In the beginning the end of JC Parr. 00:14:59
To. 00:15:02
The entrance to. 00:15:03
Neighborhood, it goes back to church. 00:15:05
Sure. 00:15:09
Now. 00:15:11
And there's the other side of kicker Rd. would have been probably less expensive. 00:15:12
Because they don't have the big trees and all, but. 00:15:17
It didn't make sense that on that side of the. 00:15:20
To cross Cakery, right? Yeah. Because for one thing, there would have been a whole. 00:15:22
There were a lot more haunted houses. 00:15:27
On that other side of the road. 00:15:29
And they are on this side. 00:15:31
And plus, it just makes it more natural to be. 00:15:32
On the same side as the part of the part. 00:15:35
Yes, Sir. 00:15:37
Yes, Sir. Yeah, that's pretty much covered everything. That's right. 00:15:38
Any other questions? 00:15:41
Front air to grandmothers. 00:15:43
That's. 00:15:48
That's another story. 00:15:49
So moved. 00:15:51
Second, there's a surprise. All in favor, say aye aye, item number 5 is approved. 00:15:54
I number six is Approval of Professional Services Agreement with Gresham Smith. 00:15:59
For the University Blvd. at Brook Hills Intersection project, the total is 249,654. 00:16:03
Clint, you're still here. I'm still here. Yes, Sir. 00:16:09
Yes, Sir, we're. 00:16:12
Request an approval. 00:16:14
For professional services from Gresham Smith. 00:16:15
So this isn't District 5 as well, it's located. 00:16:18
At the intersection of University Blvd. Brook Hills Drive and 39th Ave. East. 00:16:23
Umm. 00:16:28
You know, we've there's been a lot of concerns and complaints about sight distance issues, signal issues, confusion of flow of 00:16:29
traffic. 00:16:32
Of heavy traffic. 00:16:37
During peak hours and and some crashes so. 00:16:39
We had Gresham Smith last year to conduct a traffic study in this area. They gave us some. 00:16:42
Alternatives, designs. And so we chose one and so. 00:16:47
We're asking them to help us with with this project. The professional services again include the. 00:16:51
Surveying geotech, preliminary and final design. 00:16:56
And and so they'll also provide us with the cost estimate which we. 00:17:01
Could potentially or use that to help apply for. 00:17:06
Safety grants, funds. If we want to go in that direction, where's money coming from? 00:17:10
GFI. 00:17:14
Umm. 00:17:16
Account number 20309030 Dash majorly all changes the base bid scope. 00:17:18
So that is something that you could. 00:17:26
Play around with a little bit with the change orders. 00:17:28
And I don't know if this question is for you or for Tom, but. 00:17:35
Did we go back to the contract? 00:17:38
And they asked for an additional. 00:17:41
Extension. 00:17:43
Um, that is something that the. 00:17:46
Project manager usually does not in my office. I just direct them on the legality of things. 00:17:48
So. 00:17:55
It was brought up with the contractor. They're not really in favor of trying to extend it out anymore. Is not really in favor, no. 00:17:56
They didn't give me a hard no, but they were looking to, I mean. 00:18:04
They they need to figure out where. 00:18:08
They're going to have their amendment. 00:18:10
The idea when this started. 00:18:13
As soon as. 00:18:16
As soon as possible. 00:18:17
By the end of this month. 00:18:20
1st. 00:18:21
I think that's reasonable. 00:18:23
Where? 00:18:28
Where is the committee? 00:18:31
Ohh. 00:18:32
What? I'm what I'm I'm kind of following John's late. I'm wanting to hear from Kip too, but where? 00:18:36
Where are we on? I mean, if we have to accept? 00:18:41
Understand legally what would mean, We'll have to. 00:18:44
Throughout that motion, the right way. 00:18:47
But I but I would like for us if we're going to work on passing. 00:18:49
This, potentially we're voting on. 00:18:52
To have a good understanding of what we do and we don't want before we do that. 00:18:55
That as a group I want is is more time to do this in a more orderly. 00:19:00
So that. 00:19:06
At. 00:19:08
3 minutes past the time the committee is supposed to end. 00:19:09
We're not. 00:19:13
Trying to put together this Rubik's Cube. 00:19:15
By. 00:19:19
Committee. 00:19:20
Of this. 00:19:21
These alternates. 00:19:23
And and Mr. Wilson. 00:19:26
I I don't. I'm just airing my. 00:19:28
I'm likely if if we have to do this like this, I'm definitely a no today. 00:19:31
If we can, if we can get this. 00:19:36
Arranged in a more orderly fashion. 00:19:39
And. 00:19:42
More more coherent. 00:19:43
I'm I'm not necessarily in that one. 00:19:46
Again, I. 00:19:51
The count. 00:19:53
Know about it. 00:19:54
About 17 or 18 days ago. 00:19:56
We notified. 00:19:58
Where we were and our plan to map out. 00:19:59
At no time did we ever receive, or did I receive any correspondence from the City Council. 00:20:04
That wasn't the appropriate schedule that you want. 00:20:09
And we want. 00:20:14
Volume. 00:20:14
Every bit of information. 00:20:16
Are. 00:20:18
We want you at the end of the day. 00:20:18
But we've notified you. 00:20:23
And her no objection to the schedule that. 00:20:25
Those. 00:20:27
So. 00:20:28
I don't want, I don't want any council members to leave here thinking that our team has done anything that we haven't. 00:20:29
Done with. 00:20:36
Other projects. So we've we've put forth the schedule. 00:20:37
Did not hear any objections. 00:20:42
We felt. 00:20:45
Even to this meeting, we have provided all the information in the past week that's been asked of us. 00:20:46
So we have. 00:20:53
We want to provide you everything that you need to have comfort. 00:20:54
And what is being shared? If, if I may, I'll spend some time while I'm trying to get a bug. 00:20:58
Yeah, I mean, I'm trying to work through the process right now to get a vote. I spent time yesterday afternoon with Eric and 00:21:03
Dakota. 00:21:06
And we went over a number of things you could take out. 00:21:09
But I want this to be a great part for our city. It keeps nodding his head. 00:21:14
And we've already come to with the pavers and that. 00:21:18
I know in the scope well. 00:21:22
We're, we're close to 10%. 00:21:25
But taking some of this stuff out that we talked about. 00:21:27
And then there will be some hopefully value engineering done and which is not in these numbers, not in these numbers at all, no, 00:21:30
it's nothing important. 00:21:34
And and I looked at it and. 00:21:39
At one point I was saying let's take this out, that out. 00:21:41
And the more I thought about it. 00:21:45
I want this to be a part for these folks. 00:21:47
To enjoy these students over here, to enjoy their children, enjoy. 00:21:50
Something that we can all be proud of. 00:21:54
In another generation. 00:21:57
We talk about doing something. 00:21:59
To keep people in Tuscaloosa. 00:22:01
I don't know that this will keep people in Tuscaloosa, but it'll be a great place. 00:22:03
For you guys to take your grandchildren if you stay in this time. 00:22:08
So. 00:22:12
That's just the way after. I'm not on this committee. Do you have? 00:22:14
This has been going on. 00:22:19
10 years, yeah, you know, and. 00:22:20
I'm all. 00:22:23
I vote for it all. 00:22:25
Right. 00:22:26
Looking forward. 00:22:27
I'm not on this committee. 00:22:29
So on on the timeline thing and if I've got it wrong I want to get it cleared up. But. 00:22:33
Today's the 10th. 00:22:40
It first showed up on committee. 00:22:42
On the 3rd. 00:22:45
By that time, according to what you told us, it was already in a two week extension. 00:22:47
It was very close. 00:22:53
So it was right before the two week extension. Whatever. 00:22:55
Mapra and I appreciate the fact that we got an e-mail. 00:22:58
But I still consider this forum the main forum for presentation and discussion and debate. 00:23:03
And I would have preferred. 00:23:10
Since we knew this on August 24th. 00:23:13
I would have preferred. 00:23:16
That we that we have a preliminary. 00:23:18
To get these things out and just see how everybody. 00:23:22
Is absorbing them. 00:23:25
That that was my objection with the timeline. 00:23:29
You know. 00:23:34
Mr. Chair, yes. 00:23:35
When I think of our parks, and I see how our city has begun to. 00:23:37
Umm. 00:23:42
Upgrade, update our parks. 00:23:44
We've done so with the mindset. 00:23:48
That we help all of our citizens as you. 00:23:51
Alluded to talking about our children. 00:23:53
And that our children's children. 00:23:56
All of us have different things within our district and different parts within our district that we want to see upgraded and 00:23:59
updated. 00:24:03
And. 00:24:07
I believe that every part of that's in our city. 00:24:08
Belongs to each and every last one of us. 00:24:11
In some fat form of fashion. 00:24:14
I wasn't on the council 10 years ago. 00:24:18
But I do believe that this is a rich. 00:24:20
Investment. 00:24:23
That we need to do. 00:24:25
For our future. 00:24:27
It it is a part that that is a. 00:24:30
Gateway to the city. I mean this is this is a park that. 00:24:33
I think people across the city used our Central Park. 00:24:37
Yeah, I mean, it's literally. 00:24:40
Alright, well, sounds like you got it. 00:24:44
What? Let me ask a question. 00:24:46
How? 00:24:49
This is. 00:24:51
The legal. 00:24:52
Question. 00:24:53
How are the? 00:24:55
Because it has been recommended to us. 00:24:57
That we accept this bid with all alternatives. 00:24:59
I. 00:25:05
Understand by listening to everybody at this table. There's two or three things that. 00:25:07
We probably want to take out of that. 00:25:12
So. 00:25:14
How does that get? 00:25:15
How? How do we do that? Do we do that in the, in the, the, the, the funding end of it? Do we, I mean, if if this passes the 00:25:17
committee today? 00:25:21
And let's just say what I said is what? 00:25:25
People want. 00:25:28
What? What happened? 00:25:30
We're going to pass it with all the alternatives, then the. 00:25:31
The. 00:25:34
Other parties. 00:25:35
How are we gonna determine that? Are you gonna can I interject a a comment there? Yeah because if it if it passes here if the the 00:25:36
full enchilada passes. 00:25:41
And it comes to finance. Finance is, you're not going to quibble with that. We're just going to decide. 00:25:47
Where to get the money? 00:25:52
So. 00:25:54
I don't envision finance. 00:25:56
It's taken a whittling knife. 00:25:58
To it after from a project standpoint. 00:26:00
It's passed and go well. 00:26:03
I see the finance role simply as, alright, we're taking the money from here, here, here. 00:26:06
There. 00:26:12
If I could add to, I think it's a very. 00:26:13
Good question and it's Miller. 00:26:16
To what Mr. Crow has said and Mr. Busby. 00:26:18
Understanding that there are some amenities that we would like to. 00:26:23
Put to the side for cost savings. 00:26:27
I want to make certain that we would not put the city in legal jeopardy with if if this were a route, Mr. Crow, that I think 00:26:30
you're going. 00:26:34
And you correct me if I'm wrong, is that we accept the base field. 00:26:37
And then work have. 00:26:41
CFG work with the contractor. 00:26:43
On the amenities that the city desires and work closely with Mr. Fell and Mr. Dryer. 00:26:46
Own that and then come back to the Council. 00:26:52
For those particular amenities that would be added to the base bid would Is that a a legally accepted process? The city could do 00:26:55
one better. 00:27:00
OK, so I just want to make sure I understand the question. So. 00:27:05
We would accept the base bid but not any of the alternates and then we would just add to the project. 00:27:08
Correct later. 00:27:16
Correct. 00:27:17
Now that's again, I know that's. 00:27:18
You know the the pricing may change out of the alternates and that's. 00:27:21
But I I. 00:27:25
I've got a feeling that if we. 00:27:26
You know. 00:27:28
You wish? 00:27:29
That may be acceptable to all parties and we then move in that direction. 00:27:30
Who's gonna decide? 00:27:37
I I would, I think in the probably staff recommendations. 00:27:39
Age change order would require coming back to the City Council, this committee, right? And well, is that kind of, is that going to 00:27:45
change the way we finance it? 00:27:50
What I would recommend is that we look at financing. 00:27:54
What we think the totality of the project is initially, but no, it's going to come back in less. 00:27:59
So I think the financing recommendations that we currently. 00:28:05
Half. 00:28:09
Or. 00:28:11
Covered the totality, right? Correct. 00:28:12
And if you recall from last week, we anticipated value engineering a lot some of this down. 00:28:15
We can't. We've been very hesitant to provide you that budget number because you can't guarantee, because we can't guarantee it. 00:28:23
So. 00:28:30
With what Miss Miller shared, this might be an appropriate pathway because what I would recommend is that the staff certainly 00:28:31
would be working with the contractor but. 00:28:35
We wouldn't bring anything forward until Mr. Fell. 00:28:40
And Mr. Tyner, who's been working on this for a long time, they're very comfortable with those recommendations. 00:28:43
I don't know if that's is that. 00:28:50
I know we're putting you on the spot. Would that be an acceptable path to the City Attorney's office? 00:28:52
It's possible to do it that way? 00:28:59
Umm. 00:29:01
My. 00:29:03
Recommendation would be if we thought we were going to be doing. 00:29:04
Most of the alternates is to go ahead and award it with the alternates and then work with the engineer, see where we can value 00:29:08
engineer, see where there are maybe life cycle costs to some of the fixtures and things like that, ways to reduce the the cost 00:29:13
overall. 00:29:18
And then? 00:29:24
Perhaps. 00:29:26
Work out some of the. 00:29:27
Components of the alternates. 00:29:30
Umm. 00:29:33
Might be a cleaner. 00:29:34
Way to do it, but I understand where. 00:29:36
What year? 00:29:40
Idea is, it's possible, it's just. 00:29:41
Not as it claimed. It appeared to me in this discussion that we wanted to accept two of the alternate. 00:29:45
Of the six, OK. 00:29:53
So. 00:29:56
If I can't. 00:29:58
Do that? I mean, what's the best way? 00:30:00
Right. Going back to what the mayor just said, there's What is the best way to do that? Yes Sir. The risk to not accepting the 00:30:02
alternates is that when you go back and try to add in things that the cost is going to be different. 00:30:09
Isn't that cool? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know that after after the war happened and you broke out in Ukraine, that's when all of our 00:30:18
costs and the supply chain went crazy. 00:30:24
And considering what's going on right now, I think we'd be running a a risk. 00:30:31
That that kind of thing may happen in the market if we accept. 00:30:36
As presented, all of the alternatives. 00:30:41
Alright then. 00:30:44
If we decide not to take for them. 00:30:46
Please don't take it. 00:30:49
And that reduces the contract, correct? 00:30:50
So or how does that when we award it with all the alternates we that the contract is going to be for that highest number amount? 00:30:53
And then the change orders of things that we don't do would. 00:31:01
Speed deductive change order. Delete forum. Yes Sir, Yes Sir. And then that. 00:31:05
It. 00:31:12
It's easy. I mean, to me that's the way we ought to do it. It sounds like the simplest way and and then as a group we decide is is 00:31:13
that. 00:31:16
Are are we all comfortable with taking? 00:31:22
The four out of it we don't want. 00:31:26
So those would just be deducted. 00:31:32
Yes, Sir. Yes. I mean that that sounds like a simple way. That's the way to do it. 00:31:34
Do you feel more comfortable based on that? I think that is so much. 00:31:40
Much simpler, more orderly way. 00:31:45
To handle and the value engineering is not in it, but we know that there should be some savings in that too. 00:31:48
Right. 00:31:53
I mean, I feel comfortable voting that way. Matthew and. 00:31:54
Chairman enough, Mr. Busby, we think. 00:31:57
Well, I mean, this is a Gov out of committee. 00:32:01
I don't know if it's to go with my vote, but it's a go so. 00:32:07
They can be second. 00:32:12
Any other discussion we are. 00:32:15
We are accepting. 00:32:17
The bid with all the alternatives, with the again the understanding. 00:32:19
This might not be in the motion. 00:32:23
I I want to have another discussion about. 00:32:25
The agreement of what we're doing. 00:32:28
Because again, that's, I think that's kind of where everybody is. 00:32:30
Mr. Tyner. Yes, Sir. You got that? I got it. 00:32:34
All right. All in favor. Say aye. Aye. Opposed. 00:32:36
Motion passes. 00:32:42
Our next Public Projects Committee meeting will be next Tuesday, October the 17th. I would also like to extend a welcome to our UA 00:32:46
journalism class students. Again, we appreciate. 00:32:51
Y'all being here, watching your government at work, hopefully. 00:32:58
Sometimes efficient. 00:33:01
Halloween. 00:33:05
We didn't slap anybody, did we? Do I have a motion to adjourn? 00:33:08
You could tell him second favor say aye, so financing. 00:33:14
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